Sciences on Moon

[jtmckinley]

Originally Posted by roger

but we could try to write some music together!

Science discussion, write music together, either is fine with me . It's been 10 years since I've done any science though so don't ask me to solve any equations, I'll just embarass myself .

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by jtmckinley

Science discussion, write music together, either is fine with me . It's been 10 years since I've done any science though so don't ask me to solve any equations, I'll just embarass myself .

How can you discuss real science without real math?

I wish there was an easy way to put up equations without having to resort to putting them here as images.

[Avian(Admin)]

Originally Posted by VAXman

How can you discuss real science without real math?

I wish there was an easy way to put up equations without having to resort to putting them here as images.

Hmmm - maybe someone could search for a vbulletin plugin that would let us do this. To The Google!

[jtmckinley]

Originally Posted by VAXman

How can you discuss real science without real math?

I wish there was an easy way to put up equations without having to resort to putting them here as images.

You can certainly talk about science without writing down equations. Remember, mathematics is a human mental construct that is just a tool we use to make models that represent what we measure experimentally in nature, it doesn't mean that nature really behaves that way, in fact, even in physics like in QM or GR, it's often quite hard to come up with an interpretation of what some part of your model means physically. The beauty of the mathematical models (a.k.a. *theories*) is that one can use a model to predict what will happen in nature in some physical area that has not yet been measured and then if you're really smart or lucky you can figure out a way to go measure that and see if your theory matches your experiment. New physics (the really interesting stuff to the folks that actually do the work) occurs when the model *doesn't* fit the experiment, then you know you've discovered something new (unless you screwed up your experiment or got your math wrong ).

Also many branches of science like medicine, genetics, biology, just to name a few, often don't really even use mathematical models to describe the underlying processes that are occuring, things just get too complex for us to deal with mathematically in many-body systems, but it's certainly still valid science to carry on measuring what we see and try to come up with theories about how nature works even if we can't write down an equation that describes what is fundamentally going on.

Of course most if not all sciences use math in one way or another to understand the measuring instruments being used or for statistical analysis or whatever, but it's not necessary to use math to discuss the concepts of science. Hence the whole market of books of "science for the layman". However, mathematical models, if possible to derive, are often the most succint way of describing natural phenomena, at least until the theory breaks down. Maxwell's equations are a beautiful example.

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by jtmckinley

Also many branches of science like medicine,

ROTFLMFAO! Medicine a science!

Originally Posted by VAXman

ROTFLMFAO! Medicine a science!

It sure is VAX.....at least if experimentation is a vital part of Science. I've taken part in a few medical experiments and now that you all know that I hope the light bulb of understanding has just lit up and you're thinking:

Aha!! Now we understand......

[Bmithra]

Originally Posted by KeithieW

It sure is VAX.....at least if experimentation is a vital part of Science. I've taken part in a few medical experiments and now that you all know that I hope the light bulb of understanding has just lit up and you're thinking:

Aha!! Now we understand......

Aha! indeed.... Another vict..er, client of a MAD scientist..

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by VAXman

ROTFLMFAO! Medicine a science!

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If you don't know, don't belittle. It is indeed a science.

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

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If you don't know, don't belittle. It is indeed a science.

Medicine is no science... no more a science than alchemy. All that medical research to date has proven is how little they actually know and how much farther they need to go.

I'll consider it a science the day medicine treats the cause of disease and not its symptoms.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by VAXman

Medicine is no science... no more a science than alchemy. All that medical research to date has proven is how little they actually know and how much farther they need to go.

I'll consider it a science the day medicine treats the cause of disease and not its symptoms.

Alchemy relates to a spiritual element. Medicine relates to the science of many things..disease treatment, causes, healing.

This is not religion vs science. Medicine is no religion. It is science.

Your opinion of the effectiveness of Medicine is no reflection on it's rightful inclusion as Science.

The main reason we know so little is that we keep introducing new issues to the the species. While it is very difficult to keep up, it is undeniable that incredible strides have been made.

If I had my heart surgery or my skin cancer treated 15 years ago, I'd be awful shape because of the improvements in the SCIENCE.