Marillion

[PFD]

Yeah, I always stay away from H vs Fish. To me they're different bands now. I think they've both put out great stuff, and some weaker stuff.

Marillion had two albums out i didn't care for. Radiation and dotcom. Anaraknophobia was a step in the right direction and Marbles is a classic. Fish peaked with Sunsets on Empire; Zippos was great IF you liked Plague of Ghosts; but his last two, I've been indifferent to.

I've seen both live countless times. Like VAX, I've also spoken to them on many occasions. I prefer Fish, overall, I think he's far more laid back than H after a gig. After gigs it's easier to chat with Fish as H is normally hounded by all the ladies!

I'll probably see VAX in Holland next February.

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by PFD

Yeah, I always stay away from H vs Fish. To me they're different bands now. I think they've both put out great stuff, and some weaker stuff.

Marillion had two albums out i didn't care for. Radiation and dotcom.

Again, experiment. If you want to hear them regurgitate the same old same old, cut a tape loop of Grendel... play it until you're nauseous with Rick. There are some good elements but overall they're is not consistent.

Originally Posted by PFD

Anaraknophobia was a step in the right direction and Marbles is a classic. Fish peaked with Sunsets on Empire; Zippos was great IF you liked Plague of Ghosts; but his last two, I've been indifferent to.

Vigil was tiring. Sunsets is a pretty good album save for the "rap". I really can't believe he stooped to that level.

Originally Posted by PFD

I've seen both live countless times. Like VAX, I've also spoken to them on many occasions. I prefer Fish, overall, I think he's far more laid back than H after a gig. After gigs it's easier to chat with Fish as H is normally hounded by all the ladies!

You're just jealous!

Originally Posted by PFD

I'll probably see VAX in Holland next February.

See you there!

[PFD]

Originally Posted by VAXman

Again, experiment. If you want to hear them regurgitate the same old same old, cut a tape loop of Grendel... play it until you're nauseous with Rick. There are some good elements but overall they're is not consistent.

But I don't want to hear the same old, and will die happily if I never hear Grendel again. To me those two albums (dotcom, radiation) just seemed like a week attempt to get radio airplay and cash in on the Brit pop popular at the time. There's some good tunes on them, and I could make one good CD of a dozen songs from both those records.

Like I said, otherwise I enjoyed everything they did post Fish...except for Holidays In Eden which was a real bore. I didn't actually like Brave originally, until I saw them do parts of it live on the Sunlight tour. Now I love it. And I think Marbles is one of the greatest albums they've done ever.

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by PFD

But I don't want to hear the same old, and will die happily if I never hear Grendel again. To me those two albums (dotcom, radiation) just seemed like a week attempt to get radio airplay and cash in on the Brit pop popular at the time. There's some good tunes on them, and I could make one good CD of a dozen songs from both those records.

Like I said, otherwise I enjoyed everything they did post Fish...except for Holidays In Eden which was a real bore. I didn't actually like Brave originally, until I saw them do parts of it live on the Sunlight tour. Now I love it. And I think Marbles is one of the greatest albums they've done ever.

Read back... working band.

They tried a Porcupine Tree and Radiohead : sound on those albums. A couple of tracks worked and a couple did not.

H's home life was falling apart too (in fact, it's over since about the beginning of the year). It's hard to compose with that sort of crap looming. It's quite evident in House.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by VAXman

Read back... working band.

They tried a Porcupine Tree and Radiohead : sound on those albums. A couple of tracks worked and a couple did not.

H's home life was falling apart too (in fact, it's over since about the beginning of the year). It's hard to compose with that sort of crap looming. It's quite evident in House.

I think he's saying that he didn't like it as much. (I've never heard it). You can apply the working band reasoning then to a lot of stuff. Sort of like saying Phil gets a pass for his relationship songs

[ion_tichy]

I discovered Marillion way back in 1983 (Fish era). I lost track of them after Clutching at Straws but then rediscovered them with their Brave album (H era).

I have filled out my collection of Marillion albums since then minus marillion.com and anoraknophobia - did not care for these ones.

To me, the Fish era is characterized, in lyrics, by observations of world conflicts, religion gone bad, politicians gone bad, human relationships, and human vices (alcohol, drugs, rock n roll). Fish read a lot of books and observed the world through his eyes. The melodies are good too.

To me, the H era is characterized, in lyrics, by personal human stories and human relationships. The Brave album deals with suicide. The melodies are just as good.

I listen to music that matches my mood at a particular time. And both eras of Marillion offer me that.

During the creation of Clutching at Straws, there were a number of songs that did not make it on the album. If you listen to Fish's Vigil and Marillion's Seasons End, each party took their share of these "homeless songs" and built much better tunes : Fish (Family Business, View from the Hill), Marillion (Berlin).

There were synergies between band members in each of the eras. I am just glad that they recorded what they did.

Cheers.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by VAXman

Vigil was tiring. Sunsets is a pretty good album save for the "rap". I really can't believe he stooped to that level.

Sunsets is excellent. Most of his solo stuff is spotty, but I like that one a lot.

I have a friend who went to a Tears for Fears show with me in 1986 I believe. During "Seeds of Love" they broke into a 20 second rap. It ruined the otherwise GREAT show for him. I was incredulous with his intolerance. I don't like rap at all, but really it was a small thing.

Reason I bring that up is the "rap" on Sunsets is innocuous (assuming it's the Brother 52 song). Hope it is....I'm playing that in a month or so on the show. Stooping low? It's just a bit part.