Modern music's success

[Elric68]

Yeah Colt, I will be glad to help you, even if my English is still full of mistakes I guess most people here understand what I say, so if I can be useful I will help you.

Elric.......if you ever stop being such a good guy I will lose all faith in human nature.

Hawk, I know you know what I mean so please don't take offence, eh?

[rick_wakeman]

i guess R'n'r first post would explain why people generally won't listen to prog rock. Punk is a "good" reference since those crap tried to destroy the motion with the help of that new wave.

And yes, there are many awesome prog french bands and artists. I'm still refering to this great band called NIL (but they had to give concerts in Portugal... maybe the french is not that open minded to this prog music). there are festivals in France. the one i translated to spanish & english is another valuable example. 2 french musicians from the bands who played during this festival came to become member here in AM. They even posted some corrections to my article.

crap is everywhere on the media. That's for sure. Maybe more in France, but don't worry about the fact that every radio in the world make people believe that Madonna is the only one to listen.

i agree R'nr who agreed Saxamaphone about that we have the great luck to pay less than 0.01% of a Madonna ticket to go to more than hear more than just musicians (as long as Madonna gives concerts) and why not having some chat with the band or the artist.

if Madonna is a star, Jon Anderson is a God.


sorry i had to take a crap to belt on.

[progdirjim(Admin)]

I can read most of what colt has written, but it'd be pretty hard for me to translate. Having spoken with Elric in person, for instance, I am quite sure his English is much better than my French. I can say that colt's posts were quite sensible - further discussion on the idea of prog being more than a musical choice, but a way of life. Another way to say it (and I'm paraphrasing a LOT) is that your choice of music is in many ways a reflection of your personality. I think it comes back to two things - individual choice (ironically enough an album title from a French artiste), and Rick's comment about prog music being "challenging" (I'm again paraphrasing). I happen to like some punk, the more well written and produced stuff, as well as a lot of non-prog music. But almost all prog has enough CONCERN for music as an art form or statement of ideas to make it resonate with me.

colt: Je ne parle pas francais bien, mais merci et bienvenue. Tu a raison!

[Elric68]

Keithie, I'm not such a good guy, really.

Well, I agree with Rick_W about the cost of a concert ticket. As far as I can remember the most expensive ticket I bought was a Peter Gabriel ticket for 50€, but the concert was in Germany. Marillion comes 2nd with 33€, and then Porcupine Tree, 23€. After that, Wishbone Ash 18€, Jethro Tull + Canned Heat + Manfred Mann 18€ (!!!!), and lots of other bands for very cheap tickets.

I agree about Madonna and Jon Anderson too (though I'm not sure for the Madonna part , can she really be a star ?).

Indeed, there are lots of French prog rock bands, just as Nil or Ange, Clearlight, Maldoror, Magma, and the others, but indeed they aren't famous at all in their own country.

The most stunning example to explain my problem is Wishbone Ash. In France (I don't know if it's the same in other countries), June 21st is the music day, so people who play music, bands, set stages on the street and play their music. Only amateurs, of course no professional bands, people play for their pleasure, so there are no tickets, people walk in the streets and listen to what they want freely. I can remember discussing with Wishbone Ash and they said that they played at the music's day in France (I think that was in Lyon but I'm not quite sure).

Starting from this, I'm asking you: why does a band like W.A, who encountered such a success in the USA, have to play on the street for a free concert ? I know they play for their pleasure, because they played this day, they played the day I saw them live with less than 50 people in the audience, and they played again in Colmar when only 30 people came to see them, including Elric of course. But are they rewarded for their passion and their work ? Their music is 10 times worth a Madonna or a Green Day album, but still, they play for free in a feast because they just love music (I never saw a famous band play on the street for free, and I know that a Madonna ticket is around 100€), and that kindness, that love of music is rewarded with 30 poor 18€ tickets each time they play in France ... I would never play in France, but they still do ... I think this is a very sad story. The same for Mostly Autumn, whose members are to find work between the tours because they cannot afford to live normally only with their albums and tickets sold ... Lots of bands have the same problem, but I only heard about M.A so that's my example. Isn't it sad ?

And Jim, you understood what Colt said and translated the main idea perfectly, which proves your French is very good ! I happen to like some other music than progressive rock too, but music made with that concern you're talking about. Music made with the hearts and the minds of the musicians. One of the songs I like most is Camel's "Ice" (Never Let Go version, CD1), because on that version of the song, I can feel Latimer's emotion when he plays, I can feel passion in his playing. And when I play music myself, I want to express that too.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by Elric68

June 21st is the music day

That's close to Aural moon's birthday.....

[podakayne]

a reply by elric to keithieW
"Keithie, I'm not such a good guy, really."

oh yes elric...you really, really are a good guy.

podakayne

p.s. excellent reading on this thread. glad you started it. i've nothing to add as my fellow prog lovers appear to have expressed my opinions well.