What is progressive rock??
 

This music station called Aural-Moon progressive music. Some music i listen on this station isn't progressive rock music. I think you can't call this station progressive

Progressive music: Pink floyd, Yes, Rush ,Dream Theater, IQ, Caravan, Flower Kings, Spock'Beard, Marillion, ELP,transatlantic and genesis.

This music is progressive. It sounds hard, instrumental, solo, and it isn't soft or boring.

That's my meaning about progressive rock

I will let Avian and Jim discuss this
 

But I will put in my 2 cents. First of all, your bio says you were born in 1997. You are precocious:)

My base music is what you like. Rush Tull etc. However, I also like fusion, funk, art, all kinds of things. Rush is on the Moon - I don't think that's progressive, ok? But I don't mind at all.

The only thing I will say is please do not worry about the label. That's all it is. The station needs to call it something. Would you rather have a cumbersome name that is unrepresentative?

This is a pointless discussion, unless you have an alternative. Please have an alternative - never say "you can't call it this" - no -you tell us what you would like it called. I can't stress that enough. If you complain, come up with something better!

There's been other threads about this. Please read those, too.

Re: What is progressive rock??
 

Sorry one more.

Rush, transatlantic Dream Theater. Not very progressive.

sorry but you don't under stand my meaning of this thread. I want to know what is your meaning about progressive music.

If you like fusion. Why doi i hear fusion on an station that called progressive rock.

Call the station only aural moon or aural moon the station for the music that you like.

So conclusion: I want youtr opinion about the word progrssive rock.

I'am born in 1979

Re: What is progressive rock??
 

These three bands 'progressive'? 100% regressive!
It's not a malice, I only want to show you that term 'prog rock' is very imprecise. It can have different meanings:
- strictly literal, but then we can tell that only 70's bands like Yes or Genesis were really progressive as nowadays lions share of bands refer to the 70's, so they don't play progressive music
- conventional, but here the problem is that nobody knows where are the borders between rock and prog. These rules cannot be specified, because take for example Transatlantic's We All need Some Light. Is it prog? Yes and no.
- popular, nowadays there is tendence to treat progressive music as a 'platform' between 'ordinary radio rock' and avangarde. Quite good solution but here also we have a problem of undefined characteristics.

To sum up, music terminology is Augias stable. So don't be suprised about AM playlist.

reply
 

you can't compare the music of '70 with the music that bands are making today: like spock's beard. I think the music is more agressive than than the '70 . '70 was more sympho music. more soft music. The progrock music in 2004 is harder rock musicc, a lot of instruments

Greetings transatlantic

It's the reverse - 70's more aggressive
 

I am a big hard rock (don't call it metal) fan - Sabbath, Maiden, Priest. That music had edge.

The music you speak of like OSI, etc are not really technically prog! The boundaries are just stretched.

If you got past the few bands you mentioned, you'd get a lot of heavy 70's & 80's prog. Try a few - request some.

My fellow Monnies, make some artist suggestions for our Holland friend!

Calm down, the light now appears...
 

Transatlantic my friend:

Permit me introduce yourself: I´m son of 70´s too, I grew in the 80´s hard rock ( and why not ) heavy gardens, so I discovered the progressive rock music in the early 90´s. For me it was a big discovery.
Accourding the definitions, progressive music can be all long duration musics, that sound as concept musics; various climate situations inside the same song; complexity in arrangement and in musicians performance; triping lyrics.

I think that under this definition, Dream Theater is prog as Rush. In my point of view, although I don´t like Dream Theater music.
So to close my reply, try this link: Is very elucidative, and it will help you to understand the Progressive Rock sub-genres, and space, art, fusion, symphonic, rock.

http://www.avila.med.br/closeto/arvore.html

Truly yours,
Vanila

I don't have time right now to compose a well thought out reply. But, we at Aural Moon tend to use a looser definition of progressive rather than a tighter definition. That's not going to change.

Blimey, are we having this discussion again? Transatlantic dude, it says you've been a memeber of the Moon since... This month. Somebody's got to be mean, so it might as well be me. Don't show up somewhere and on your first day start criticizing it with your narrow definition and try to sound authoritative. The official workers at this station (Avian and ProgDirJim) and to a lesser extent the lesserlings (Roger.Lee, theoriginal_ib, ExtendedPlay, myself...) have worked hard to make this station the number one progressive rock station on the net. AM's been around since 1999 (or earlier) and has a huge library. If you'd care to do a little research, such authorities as AllMusic.com and The Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock lists literally dozens of subgenres. So until you are well versed in Kraut (Neu!, Kraftwerk), Neo-Kraut (To Rococo Rot), Canterbury (Gentle Giant, Soft Machine), Modern Experimental (Godspeed You Black Emperor!, Blue Man Group), Pop-Prog (Journey, Styx), Post-Rock (Mogwai, Tortoise, Billy Mahonie, The Letter E), and dozens of other prog-subgenres - I repeat - until you are well-versed in all of this, don't come to an established station patroned by literally hundreds of prog-lovers and tell us what is and is not progressive rock.

As for fusion, go to a research site like All Music Guide and search for Mahavishu Orchestra or Return to Forever and look at "related styles." Guess what you'll see? "Prog Rock/Art Rock."

In other words, if you are interested in your definition of prog only, and you don't think AM is that station, don't listen. Go elsewhere.

I'm gonna request some Journey for you now.






"Related Styles: Industrial Psychedelic Goth Rock Glam Rock Euro-Rock Kraut Rock Acid Rock Arena Rock British Metal Jazz-Rock Neo-Psychedelia Space Rock Guitar Virtuoso Progressive Metal Neo-Prog Experimental Rock Neo-Classical Metal Album Rock Canterbury Scene Obscuro Symphonic Black Metal Avant-Prog"

Sorry to say that but IMO you misssed the point of transatlantic doubts Yesspaz. It wan not a frontal attack on Aural Moon.

Yesspaz Sez:

You're being a lot more gentle than I'd have been, had I felt like posting the first time I saw this screed.

I'm going to make a confession here, simply because there's a story that goes along with it that's very much akin to the situation here.

Y'see, I don't drink alcohol. I quit drinking in 1992 because, quite frankly, I was drinking myself into an early grave. I found "salvation" (read "holding on with both hands and white knuckles) in AA. I bounced in, hitting both sides of the doorjam. One of the traditions is that we take our program on the road. I was doing this, in a jail somewhere (y'all don't need to know where).

This is where it gets similar.

There was this inmate who was in for his third conviction of drunk driving. He was at a meeting, and he piped up, saying that "You know, I'd probably go there if ..." and proceeded to list a few things that he thought would make the program work for him.

Our response: "We'll take it under advisement."

I doubt he got the irony implicit.

So Transatlantic, I'd like to state personally:

"We'll take it under advisement."

El Queso Grande (ProgDirJim) sez:

To which I respond:

PAH-RAAAAIIIISE BE! </SouthernBabtisPreacher>

Trans: Take 'spaz's advice to heart. We're successful here. And I'm sure we'll all be truly disappointed if you decide we're not 'prog' enough for you. No, Really!

Roger "Lesserling? Cool! I've been promoted!" -dot- Lee

To quote Charlie Brown, "has everyone gone commercial"?

:D :D :D

Rick!
 

Rick, love your levity!

And thanks for backing me up, Roger.Lee.

Au Contraire Woj....

and



If that's not an attack by our newest member, I don't know what is. Look at the top of the first page of the forums. transatlantic is our newest member, and then he says that the station's not progressive. If that's the way he feels, why join and listen?

I've got no patience for that kind of nonsense...

Re: It's the reverse - 70's more aggressive
 

Here goes!!!
Frank Mariano's Mahogany Rush
Armageddon
Bloodrock passage
Ahh and my Avatar Good old Captain Beyond
All Bands from the 70's that Rocked but most people never heard of em!!!!

The mad Brit sticks his 2p worth in.....
 

Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!

Transatlantic, when you've been around here for a while, and I sincerely hope you do stay around, you will know that Yesspaz and I have the odd disagreement (all friendly) about a few things. However, I am in total agreement with Spaz here.

Aural Moon has a list of over 11,000 tracks all of which have been given the "OK" by Avian and prodirjim to be added to the playlist. True, there are some tracks that aren't progressive (Mozert and Beethoven for example) but I don't know of one radio station that sticks to it's remit 100%. Here in the UK we have "Classic FM" which throws in the odd Jazz or Rock track from time to time, for example.

With a playlist this size, if you can't find something that interests you and makes you want to click the request button then, maybe, you should, broaden your horizons. There is a wealth of music out there on the Moon that will delight you.

The people here on Aural Moon are one of the most passionate groups I have ever come accross in my 48 years on Earth and, like all families, we have our disagreements but the underlieing feeling is one of harmony and love nurtured by a passion for decent music.

Come and join the family transatlantic, I know you'll feel good.

By the way, if I have missed the point and you really do just want a definition of what we feel is prog, click this link and it will take you to some threads where this has been thrashed to death.

http://auralmoon.com/forum/search.ph...der=descending

Yesspaz, to begin with, of course I also see more nonsense than sense in it. But I think that these words result rather from superficial progressive rock knowledge than offensive attitude towards Aural Moon. I used to try to explain gently if I see (and here it is definitely seen) that a person is a prog rock layman. I think it is better solution to solve such problems in such way than 'welcoming' our new member with 'go elsewhere'. We can limit the answer to one sentence. As progressive rock bands have also straightforward rock songs on their albums, but because of the prog rock compositions advantage are called prog rock bands, Aural Moon doesn't have to have only 100% progressive songs, especially as there are some non-prog bands worth hearing.
Peace.

suggestions...
 

suggestions for transatlantic:

Sigur Ros
American Football
Adiemus
Iona
Don Caballero
Gentle Giant
Mike Oldfield
any Journey song that is on the Moon
Kansas
Godspeed You Black Emperor!
King Black Acid
Billy Mahonie
Tarentel
Neal Schon
PFM
Gong
Can
Faust
Neu!

and since you like Deram Theater/Transatlantic style...

Platypus
Liquid Tension Experiment
The Jelly Jam

what a response
 

hi alle aural moon fans

First i want apologize for my reaction as a new member. But when i see the forum i get a lot of reactions.

I still be a listener to this great radio, because there are less places where you can find progressive music.
The interest for this musci start 4 years a go. When i listen to music like dream theater, rush, transatlantic,IQ, spock's beard and flower king.
But now i want to go farther in this music, because there is much more music than those groups in the genre progressive music. I can say: progressive music you can define in different ways

Transatlantic

Flamewars make my teeth itch (was re: What a response)
 

that you did. It's generally considered rude to dive into a forum that you haven't been involved with in an argumentative manner.

Unless, of course, you're on Usenet. Then it's expected. Especially in alt.flame

A good start, but definitely not what I would consider a wide representation of that what we call 'Progressive'.

An admirable goal. But one doesn't learn much by immediately criticizing the playlist after listening for a couple of days/weeks. We have thousands upon thousands of songs (well over 11,000 and growing on a weekly, sometimes daily basis). All hand picked by Avian and Program Director Jim.

If you don't like what you're hearing at the moment, stick around. It'll change. And request something you'll like.

(only try to avoid Godspeed You! Black Emporer, please. :P )


Correct. And it goes quite a ways beyond Yes, Rush, Pink Floyd, and The Moody Blues. Stick around. Ya might learn something.

Roger -dot- Lee

thanks
 

Hi lee

i want to thank you for your respond. When i read all the reactions i can only say: Every day is a day that you can learn and discover more proressive music.

Transatlantic

Did you get promoted?

Re: suggestions...
 

Jelly Jam style like those? Huh?

Yes... BrainRock is coming.

Re: Re: suggestions...
 

not exactly, but it's the same revolving troup of ten players or so.

Not Morgenstein
 

the drummer, he was in the dregs and god forbid - Winger!

only Myung is the same.

oh btw Wojtek - thank you for your insightful posts in this thread. thay are very well thought out.

Re: Not Morgenstein
 

You make it sound like an accusation! :P

Say on Brother Rick.

Personally, I think I'm just going to take a step back from these inflammatory threads for a few days. It almost seems like we're starting to wage war on one another.

I get enough of that crap from my ex-wife and my brother's ex-wife. I don't need it on my off hours, too.

an apology
 

Hey transatlantic. Sorry about coming down so hard on you right off the bat. I think maybe I was having a crappy day and that was the last straw. Anyway, I'm glad you'll be sticking around. All those bands you mentioned in your posts are legitimate choices for good bands. By listening to AM, I'm sure you'll meet many many more. Ask Keith Waye. He's bought over 60 cds in the past twelve months from stuff he's heard on AM. That's over one a week. Wow.

hello Transatlantic!

I can also recommend you some very good bands and it´s albuns:

Eloy - Ocean; Power and the Passion; Ocean2; Dawn; Colours
Novalis - (German lyrics) - Sommerabend; Brandung
Ramses - La Leyla ; Eternity Rise
PLJ Band - Armaggedon
Tisaris - Once Humanity
Grobschnitt - Grobschnitt; Ballermann; Jumbo; Rockpommel´s Land; The History of Solar Music Vol. 1,2,3 and 4
Errata Corrige - Siegfried, Il Drago e altre story
Tiamat - Wild Honey
Par Lindh Project - Gothic Impressions; Bilbo (with Bjorn Johansson); Baroque Impression; Veni, Vidi, Vinci
Bo Hansson - Lord of the Rings (Sagan om Ringen); Magician Hat
Jane - All 70´s albuns; Ressurection

Well I ´ve forgot some band...Yesspaz have included in its reply some of them.
So try it these bands, you´ll not br regret!

Hugs,

Vanila

Epics
 

Hi

Thanks for the bands you named. I will heard if those bands are good for me.

The band Trnasatlantic has many epics (long play numbers) Anybody know bands who also play epics???
I like epics because most of the songs are very good. The songs are divided into separate parts. Each parts has his own story and music. When you put all the story's to one pease than it is a great song to listen

See for your self pink floyd, genesis, yes, dream theater (Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence cd 2) and flower kings etc

Transatlantic

Discipline
 

check out "Unfolded Like Staircase". Four tunes, each 12-20 minutes.

Epics
 

If you like experimental stuff, Godspeed You Black Emperor! does some long stuff, in the 15 to 30 minute range.

Focus has some long stuff.

Mogwai has an EP that's a 20 minute instrumetal called "My Father My King"

King Black Acid is a good try for "mind-altering neo-psych jams" as one reviewer put it. Heck, their fourth album is even called "King Black Acid Loves a Long Song."

And Tarentel is quite good at the extended neo-Kraut type stuff.

Speaking of which, try Autobahn by Kraftwerk.

Finally, never overlook Mike Oldfield. I've noticed that you name a lot of very famous proggers. Surprised Oldfield is not one of them. Go to the requests and try out Tubular Bells, Tubular Bells III, Ommadawn, Incantations, Hergest Ridge, the Taurus cycle, Amarok, The Wind Chimes, and The Lake (There are others, Tubular Bells II is on AM in a chopped up form. There is also The Songs of Distant Earth, but it's not on AM).

In short, LOTS of long prog songs on AM. Everything listed above is on AM for you to sample, with the exception if the Mogwai. Enjoy.

Hi All,

In the liner notes to the King Crimson 1998 live album Absent Lovers, Robert Fripp says: "Professor Bill Martin (in his Listening to the Future) puts the period of 'progressive' as 1968 -1978". Fripp also makes reference to the "quintessentially English nature of 'progressive'".

Obviously those narrow parameters would severely limit a station like Aural Moon, so there needs to be a broader approach to include music from all over the world, both new and older that embraces the spirit of "progressive".

For me, the conceptual depth and high quality of the musical and lyrical content and the high level of musical training and ability is what signifies "progressive".

Cheers,

Re: Epics
 

PLEASE DON'T! :eek:

Re: Re: Epics
 

LMAO Woj.............I thought that was your favourite Oldfield album. At least, you always threaten to play it for me when I get into a Tales from Topographic Oceans mood.:D

i found my progressive epic band
 

Hi

I have taken the advice of you people and i download the cd of the band Eloy. The cd Ocean 2. Whow this album is very. I wished i have heard of this band some 10 years ago.

Anyone more ideas for epics

Guys you gave me the advice listen to king crimson. Conclusion: This is not my band. This music is to old for me.

Transatantic

Eloy
 

I thought they were old too!:cool:

I mentioned Discipline a few posts back.......check it out you'll like them.

Transatlantic, be careful about 'downloading' music. What is great about the music on this site is that it is not commercial, meaning that the musicians sacrificed money and fame in order to concentrate on the art or music. Most of these musicians are more talented than commercial artists, and more true to their craft. This generates music that is relevent, inovative, and music that truely 'progresses'(keeping with the thread theme) into unexplored sonic territory. Most of these great artists don't get the respect they deserve and unfortunately don't get paid for their talent, yet commercial musicians make fortunes. My point-- download music to discover new sounds, which I am guilty of, but remember to help support them by actually purchasing an album once in awhile. This is not a flame, just a general reminder, for myself as well. I still have to sign up for that higher bandwidth Aural Moon account;) !

Why assume that it was not paid for?