Subject does and doesn't matter
 

Of course subject matters in terms of your enjoyment of a song but the subject does not define its genre.

Is this in honour of Poet's Day?

Was this in Montreal? I think we may have dated the same girl Rick!

for Keith
 

><Barry-Manilow-Luvers-owner@yahoogroups.com>

a friend of mine sent me this. Haven't looked at it yet.....

This has as much to do with the discussion as anything else
:)

Re: for Keith
 

Many (low) thanks for that Ricardo.

I'll take a look at that later. You never know, there might be some middle aged housewife waiting to hear from me :D :p

Re: you don't understand
 

The answer: Both.

Gospel is not a genre of style as much as a genre of content. Neal Morse converted to Christianity very publicly. He's a progster. He's gonna write prog songs that convey his Christianity. It's "gospel Prog Rock," if you will. I am an evangelical Protestant (seminary student no less) and a prog fan. There are hundreds of great rock bands made of Christians doing "Christian" music out there, contrary to the stereotype of them being hacks. But there aren't very many of a progressive nature. Neal Morse, Kerry Livgren, Iona, Jeremy, etc., in my opinion, are an example of what I'd like to see more of (I'm sure non-Christians might have a variety of opinions here).

In sum, "prog" and "gospel" are not mutually exclusive terms. Rush is prog, not gospel. Third Day are gospel, not prog (Southern Rock). Neal Morse is both gospel and prog.

Re: Re: you don't understand
 

Good answer Spaz. Me, I base my opinion of music on both the music and the lyrical content. As a devout agnostic, I don't mind Christian lyrics as long as there's some depth to them. "Praise Jesus" repeated 700 times is just as bad as "boogie mama" repeated 700 times (to use a facetious example). Jeremy is instrumental and quite good, I think. Neal Morse seems to be drifitng towards weaker music, though "Snow" is one of SB's best, IMO. Judge each effort individually and don't worry about labels, is my ultimate point here...

Re: Re: Re: you don't understand
 

To me devout implies religion. You can be a non-practicing (fill in the blank with your religion), or just an agnostic.

Sounds like a Near (beer) Fest discussion to me.;)

Re: Re: Re: you don't understand
 

Well said...

drifitng
 

Well here I'm gonna politely disagree. I've got Testimony in the car right now and it sure seems powerful to me. Musically it might be "lighter" than some of the stuff he did with Spock's Beard in that there's less distorted guitar, but I think these are some of the best-put-together songs he's done.

Granted, the lyrics connect with me personally (being also in that Evangelical Protestant ilk with Yesspaz) and I might be weighing them a bit higher on that basis, but isn't that the way all music is? It reaches different people differently.

oh what fun!
 

Mistakes aplenty!

Garden of Dreams by FK is not an epic. It is many pieces stuck together.

Echoes is not an epic. It's a jam/space back and forth.

Tales I would argue is not a true "concept album". It's four pieces of music by each member. Sort of like Fragile, on steroids.

Syncopation is not particular to prog. Ooooh syncopation!!! Every song has syncopation, even "Row Row Your Freaking Boat".

Madness as a common theme? Try the grunge or metal for that.

Like the overuse of Dream Theater. Thought they weren't prog.

I always thought Rush and Devo used the same meter in many tunes (Rush was cited as an example, Devo is not).

Close to the edge is NOT a four-part song. It has an intro into a theme, and ok another part, but returns to the theme. That's two parts, if you're scoring at home.

Godspeed is said to include "the aesthetic sensibilities" of punk rock. I need several thousand beers to figure that one out!

I like the last line about Tool. They don't know what to classify it as! Love it!

Two of my favorite bands are defined as progressive - King's X and XTC. Let's get 'em on the playlist, then!

:D :D

Even the Galactic Cowboys are in there! (only cause they toured with king's x, no doubt). Too bad the Butthole Surfers didn't tour with them too, they'd be in there.

I get such a kick out of this pigeon-holing.

Re: oh what fun!
 

Not necessarily.

I know of TWO John Philip Sousa songs that have no syncopation whatsoever. None.

one for Mr. Lee
 

remind me not to use words like NEVER and ALWAYS and NONE and ALL and EVERY.

:D

Re: one for Mr. Lee
 

Indeed...especially when correcting someone else's mistakes. It's along the lines of spelling or grammar flames. You will invariably have at least one spelling or grammar error in your post. Guaranteed.

Happens to me all the time.

Roger -Dot- Lee, who should be in bed by now.

You should go into CYA mode...........
 

Any statement you make that could be misread, misconstrued and cause someone to be upset or, more importantly, sue, could have ALLEGADLY tagged on the end of it to tone it down.

eg.

KeithieW is a drunken sot who knows nothing about nothing, ALLEGADLY.

GY!BE make music, ALLEGADLY............:D

CYA = Cover Your Arse (ALLEGADLY)

Clarifications
 

Alledgedly is spelled wrong.

Roger, I proofread my posts. I try not to use words I can't spell (which is a lot). It is guaranteed that if I make a spelling error, it is intentional.

Now I may make punctuation errors, but so does GYBE.

"Garden of Dreams by FK is not an epic. It is many pieces stuck together".

hey rick- you could say the same for "close to the edge",
"and you and I"..many early yes tunes.

porcupine tree (fr'instance) fuses dissimilar parts
using efx as bridges. it's a trademark of prog,
(sort of) an extension of the R&R " middle ten"-
(.."life is very short, and there's no ti-i-i-i-ime....").

now, everyone play nice. if i have to stop this car...
:D

p e a c e kirk

Re: Clarifications
 

You're right Rick, allegedly was spelt wrong. :D

So that's either one of those US/UK spelling differences (possible) or the spelling error was intentional (more likely as I know you always tell the truth).

haha no keith, there's but 1 "d" in "allegedly"
on either side of the pond.

zenpool's guitarist steve hall is a senior lecturer
at northumbria in newcastle.
it took a bit of adjustment at first,
since he speaks english and i don't:D

even my london friends can't understand the geordies.

Re: Clarifications
 

I realize that, and I wasn't accusing you of making any spelling errors. I don't do spelling flames, since I invariably get tripped up by them. I was simply drawing a parallel with a well known Usenet Phenomenon. That's all.

Roger "INCOMING" -Dot- Lee